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MARINE1986

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President Obama, Speaker Boehner, and Senator Reid

Tue Oct 4, 2011 8:24 AM EDT
washington, dc, opinion, not-news, senator-reid, president-obama, speaker-boehner
By Marine1986
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So, here we are.  President Obama.  He has some time in the job, he has done a few things to upset some and make others very happy.  The man, regardless of prior experience, was elected to the office of President of the United States.  I did not vote for him, I felt that I did not know enough about him for him to earn my vote.  Many Americans did vote for him.  Many would do it again, many would not.

He has definitely made changes to our country.  Some, for the better, some for the worse.  Yet, through it all, much like President Bush, his supporters will back him no matter what.

President Obama has made some bad mistakes, that's not why I am writing.  I am writing to point out how the media misrepresents the actual stories and how their decisions on what facts are may be skewed.  As a Republican, I was on with John Boehner's town hall last night.  I listened to him and it was a little eye opening.  John Boehner was not bashing the President.  He said that he would be able to find common ground and that he liked the President very much.  He said the President was a great guy and though they don't agree all the time, he has a lot of respect for him.  Wow, that's not what I thought based on the media's portrayals.

I recently listened to an uncut speech by the President, not just the five seconds the evening news plays for you.  He had a lot of sensible things to say.  He talked about helping each other, he said his jobs bill is not perfect, but it is what he believes the country needs to get going.  Wow, he is actually passionate about the United States.  I thought, why the hell wouldn't he be?!

I then made it a point to see some uncut video of Harry Reid.  This is where the media's portrayal actually helps him.  I am sure he has some talent somewhere, but it escaped me from what I found on CSPAN.  He droned on about virtually nothing, as well, he seemed to be completely out of touch with any reality of current or past existence.  He was very good at avoiding answering any of the questions that were posed to him, is this a Senate thing?  In my opinion, the five second sound bite is just what he needs.

Net, net, these guys don't want anyone to be hungry, they don't want anyone to be out of work and poor.  They all want corporations to have footing in our boarders.  They all want good, affordable housing, public services and excellent educations for our children.  They all seem to want better for the United States.  They just think there is a different way to do it.

I am no longer going to comment on news stories (except maybe the occasional "not-news"), I will only write opinion articles like this one.  I feel as though I am a sensible person, I try to be open minded, I try not to be hypocritical, and I love this country.  I will not bash those who dedicate their lives to public service by posting on news articles that no longer report just the who, what, where, when, why, and how.  Now the reporters seem to have the privilege of reporting what they think.  That's not news, that's opinion.

Rise up, don't be fooled because the New York Times or Wall Street Journal tells you something as a fact.  Also, one more thing, opinion pieces, like this, are opinions.  They may not be just like yours, but hopefully they will shed a little light on a thought process you did not have before.

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Marine1986

Any takers?

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 8:25 AM EDT
naughtynumbernine

I think Obama is OK. I really liked him in 2008, but my opinion of him is suffering of late. He's a decent yet somewhat disappointing President as I see it.

  • 2 votes
#2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:00 AM EDT
trm2008

Obama may not be perfect, but he's better than anything the republicans have to offer.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:31 PM EDT
Marine1986

Not true. The Republicans are just as bad as he is. ;) The President doesn't have to be perfect, but he does have to lead. I wish he would. Check this out, speaking of Senator Reid:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/oct/4/senate-democrats-forced-block-obama-jobs-bill/

The Democrats are not voting on the jobs bill, the Republicans want to vote on it now, just as the President wants. Wait, I'm wrong, the President wants it passed now.

I wish them luck, I wish us all luck.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT
trm2008

The Republicans have so demonized Obama since he was elected that at this point, they can't possibly agree to anything he suggests without severe repercussions from their base--particularly the far right fringe of their party (aka the tea party). Hell, the repubs won't even agree to things that were their ideas in the first place.

That is where the country is now, and I doubt it will change. How can anybody lead under these circumstances?

  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
Marine1986

TRM - You bring up a very good point. The Republicans are demonizing him. I recall the same thing happened when President Bush was President but only from the Democrats. It seems as though we are in a never ending cycle. You can say the Republicans are much worse than the Democrats, but the roles could easily be reversed. What does that say about our government? They do bend to the will of their constituents, but what if the constituents are wrong?

I don't know why anyone would want to lead under these circumstances. I think President Bush no longer wants the spotlight because he got tired of hearing how much people hated him. I think President Obama is getting tired as well, yet I don't think he will go quietly into the night if he should not be re-elected.

I also don't think the Tea Party is the "Far Right" fringe of the Republican Party. I think some of those associated with it are. Again the "demonization" is all we hear about from the National Media because that is what sells commercials or forwards their hidden "agenda". It's the same from MSNBC and Fox news just different agendas.

Excellent points TRM, well said. I voted up your comment.

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT
trm2008

The Democrats worked with the Republicans when Bush was in office. There's the difference.

I also don't think the Tea Party is the "Far Right" fringe of the Republican Party

The only ones that matter are--the ones that were voted into Congress. The rest of them only have the power that corporate America allows them to have.

I don't watch the corporate news media. I prefer wildlife documentaries. My "news" comes from many different sources that I analyze and compare to other sources.

It hardly matters anymore anyway. Our whole government has been infiltrated by corporate power to the point that we don't really have a choice when we vote. We are limited to the candidates chosen by the moneyed interests.

  • 6 votes
#2.5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
Marine1986

Voted you up again. Good points, I am an astronomy programming buff myself. I am starting to see no real difference between Democrats and Republicans.

A question, why should we have to analyze the "news"? Shouldn't it just be factual and non-biased? It's a shame, no?

Peace.

  • 4 votes
#2.6 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:15 PM EDT
trm2008

A question, why should we have to analyze the "news"?

Because about thirty years ago, we (the government) decided that, although the American people own the airwaves, we shouldn't expect or require broadcasters to program in the public's interests. Since then news has become entertainment instead of news.

My grandchildren won't ever know what real representation in government is.

  • 3 votes
#2.7 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:31 PM EDT
naughtynumbernine

The only candidate from the GoP I'd prefer over Obama is Ron Paul. I don't know what Republicans have against Obama either, he seems to be one.

  • 2 votes
#2.8 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT
Marine1986

Nine - I am liking Herman Cain quite a bit these days. He seems to be able to turn around problems fairly well. Ron Paul is also a good candidate, but I am not sure where our national security would be.

Well said.

  • 2 votes
#2.9 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 8:15 AM EDT
trm2008

I can't get past Cain's blatant bigotry against Muslims, his obvious lack of knowledge about the Constitution and the CRA, and his overly simplistic remedies to very complicated problems (9, 9, 9).

http://wonkette.com/449601/herman-cain-first-amendment-says-muslims-arent-allowed-to-build-mosques

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/article1174539.ece

What about Cain's lack of "executive experience"? Isn't that one of the points that was hammered over and over about Obama?

  • 4 votes
#2.10 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 8:20 AM EDT
Marine1986

TR - Good points. Yet, I thought Cain had more executive experience than our current President did? I though Cain was the CEO of a couple corporations and turned them around?

I can't find myself voting for President Obama, unless he really turns the economy around as he said he would.

I hope though, for all of us, the best person actually does win.

  • 2 votes
#2.11 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:03 AM EDT
trm2008

Cain has zero experience in any capacity in government. Being a CEO isn't the same as trying to govern a country as large as ours. Cain will also have to be everyone's president--including Muslim Americans.

  • 3 votes
#2.12 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:37 AM EDT
naughtynumbernine

Paul is also a good candidate, but I am not sure where our national security would be.

He's actually made this pretty clear. They'd be back home, actually defending our nation. I don't know that much about Cain.

    #2.13 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 10:40 AM EDT
    Maggie-602935

    I heard today that Cain is in Kansas on a book tour? Someone suggested his run is really for attention to promote the book and his rise in the pols is because Perry is such an obvious asshat. Well...to be honest, the asshat part is my opinion. :)

    • 1 vote
    #2.14 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:11 PM EDT
    Marine1986

    That all may be, but I still like him. I think he would be a good President, it doesn't mean I am voting for him, he has yet to earn that.

    As many had put their faith in President Obama, a person with incredibly small amounts of management experience and very small amounts of experience in Government. For now, I think some may be doing the same for Cain.

    • 2 votes
    #2.15 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 2:52 PM EDT
    mstanley2265

    Really, so his trip to South America to open up their markets for more US products wasn't being ahead of the game, being as how the markets overseas are fixing on tanking? oops he's not that smart is he?

      #2.16 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
      Alex. CA

      Developing countries economies are growing faster.

      • 1 vote
      #2.17 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 10:00 PM EDT
      Marine1986

      MStanley - Ahead of the game? Giving them $2 billion for them to develop energy development for us to buy at a later date? Why not invest that here for us to drill and develop here? Use those same American products and create the energy jobs here?

      We will be their best customer? Hopefully at a deep discount based on our investment?

      Maybe I am crazy? (Which I am a little, no?) I might have mis-read your post. If so, sorry.

      • 2 votes
      #2.18 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 10:19 AM EDT
      mstanley2265

      It's always interesting to see that a President 'gave' money for anything

      when it's Congress that allocated and appropriated that money for the President to spend.

      My comment was meant for the 'lack of management' experience. The relationships in other nations markets is vital to and for the best interests of the US. The population of the US cannot buy All the products that the US can and does produce, therefore the US has to have other nations markets to sell too. In July 2011 there weas $178 billion in exports

      As the reset mortgages hit and there more foreclosures, the growth rate dropped dramatically, in 20101, it's slowly built back up. So, even with all the mess, it appears that the President has had a good influence on the whole real deal of recession, but Congress with a lack of financial acumen impeded that progress and still does.

        #2.19 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
        Marine1986

        A growth rate of .9% isn't a growth rate, more like a stagnation. Just my opinion of course.

        I see you are right, everything in our Economy is clearly on the right track. I am sure the jobs bill will get approved and then we'll be OK. As well, the majority of Americans agree with you.

        ;)

        • 2 votes
        #2.20 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
        Alex. CA

        The huge, free falling great recession economic mess that bush left ended in 2009. Economic growth was accelerating when the Democrats were in charge. Economic growth is slowing down NOW, the economy is stalled NOW because of the repubs as expected.The repubs are doing this intentionally for political reasons. The repubs are praying for a Great Depression. http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/DJIA

          #2.21 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 6:40 PM EDT
          Marine1986

          Hi Alex - Really? I am a Republican and I don't want any of that, frankly, I would like to see our President be very successful.

          The Democrats were in charge starting in 2006, just when the real mess started, coincidence?. The incorporated huge spending and a stimulus package that falsely inflated the numbers. Maybe for political reasons. Now they want to do it again?

          Forget the years prior where President Bush's Treasury Department want to put regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and was shot down by Barney Frank and Maxine Waters. There is video of this on You Tube.

          I don't think President Bush was a Saint, and the "inheritance" was a bad one, but Mr Obama promised to fix this. If President Obama was blind to the pending problems, then he was incompetent and never should have ran for office. There was nothing "hidden".

          If economic growth is slowing now, it is only because of the policies of the current Administration. Blaming Congress? Who runs the Treasury, Commerce and Labor Departments again? The Congress? Interesting how it was President Bush back then, but now it is the Congress? A little thin.

          Frankly, they all can go. We need new blood, new ideas and non-politicians. Term Limits might help.

          • 1 vote
          #2.22 - Fri Oct 7, 2011 8:34 AM EDT
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          mstanley2265

          I get my news elsewhere, and for hardcore information, I go to Thomas Library of Congress. There is nothing like reading actual legislation vx speeches.

          What I've seen coming out of the House of Representatives on the Republican side is in the first 6 months was legislation that would have shredded the safety net, was poorly written, wasn't even applicable to the the bill it was attached to as an amendment. Several were subsequently told that those 'amendments' were to come from Committee or attached to another bill that was like their amendment...so those were pulled. sighhh

          And there was even a new Senator that filled the Library up with inane legislation. A Senator. Following in the footsteps of actually great legislative Senator's and Representatives, they produced legislation on the level of a high school class though I'm of the opinion that there are high school students who could have done better. These are supposedly smart people and quite frankly the legislation wouldn't even had passed the read test for a business plan presented to a bank loan office.

          Fortunately, after several amendments were added to the stark legislation that was promoted (even if I was of the opinion that it was bunk from get go) the legislation actually started looking like legislation that was coming from a world nation. As in four rewrites though. I often wonder how many hours and days and cost were spent getting the bills right.

          There is legislation that's is coming out that has a more centrist path. It appears that the freshman have graduated to sophomore class. They have begun to see the unintended consequences of legislation that affects not one sector but all of the sectors of 50 states and territories.

          They have begun to see the global impact of the financial meltdown of the US. They have begun to see that without a centrist approach and careful thought, that a better solution needs to be found to contain the confliguration that is occuring. Beginning last month, $20 billion dollars every month in reset mortgages has to have gotten their attention if nothing else.

          In a way, it has been good that they went through the 'fire' of new legislators. They had to jump in and sink or swim. Apparently, they're beginning to learn to swim. At least most of them. There is no 'one' answer to fix the myriad of issues. What needs to be done is hammer out the solutions for each issue. That is their job. They best do it. And leave partisan politics outside of DC.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:14 PM EDT
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          mon glas

          Marine1986, what a great opinion piece. You have highlighted some important and serious issues that affect the entire Nation.

          As far as my opinion of Pres. Obama, I did not vote for him, because I saw lack of experience to lead a country that already had problems. I did give him the benefit of the doubt after he was elected and hoped that he would stand up to his hope and change for the better. The progress from his policy's have not made things better, but instead made a wound fester with division amoung American's. Some of his ideals and policy's have been downright insulting to American's. Some of the speeches he has made have been insulting to American's. He most certainly did not accomplish that alone though. Your assessment of Harry Ried is right on target. I have seen nothing from his career as a Senator that has benefited anyone but Harry Ried and his ideals. Unfortuatly there are many more like him.

          George Bush. I voted for him, but saw in him leadership that was being directed from behind the scenes. The Bush years did their own damage, no doubt about it. It seems politicans from all party's don't believe in honesty anymore, and haven't for a very long time. The American Citizen's have saw through all this now. If any hope and change is to be made it will be because of the people of this great country, not them. We all have different lives, opinions, and ideals of how this country should be run, and by whom. The real challenge is not for those policymakers to make those decisions, but for the Citizens of this country to find common ground and make those decisions. People seem to forget, the United States belongs to American's, Not politicans in Washington D.C..

          • 2 votes
          Reply#5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:37 PM EDT
          Alex. CA

          It was not hard to figure out that bush was absolutely incompetent.

          • 2 votes
          #5.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:54 PM EDT
          mon glas

          And when did you fiqure that out? Before or after he was elected as the POTUS?

          • 1 vote
          #5.2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 7:44 PM EDT
          Marine1986

          I am not sure I would say that President Bush was incompetent. The media helped portray him that way. He is actually a person who made decisions that were unpopular. Many people are now claiming that President Obama is incompetent as well. Yet, I find the media supporting President Obama far more than President Bush. Why is that?

          The media should not endorse anyone, there should be no newspaper endorsements. To me this seems hypocritical. They claim to report without bias, then endorse a candidate for President?

          As for the Presidency, the problem is that no human is perfect, that's what we want, perfection. It's impossible.

          Good comments everyone!! I voted them all up.

          • 2 votes
          #5.3 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 8:12 AM EDT
          mon glas

          The media should not endorse anyone,

          Agree, but unfortunatly they do, and can persade peoples opinons greatly, and even with false or skewed information. I never fully realized how much this happens until I joined this newsforum. I see some media sources on here that scream their objectives.

          True no human is perfect. But people have a right to question a man or women that is going to represent us to the entire globe, and set the standards for laws that will be new ones or old ones to be enforced. The real problem is electing a president that no doubt will have his own beliefs and objectives, but realize not everyone shares his vision and beliefs. A whole lot of our problems also come from behind the scenes influence, and it's not behind the scenes influence from the working class taxpayers and voters, but rather from the wealthy in the U.S. and politicaly high ranking all over the globe. Special interest groups are pushing their agenda's more than ever, and it has really been allowed to take a place among our lawmakers, even with the President, as he has shown with illegal immigration for instance. Some sources of the media have used this to promote their own agenda's. A lot of funding for candidates that promote their agenda's come from media sources.

          All I can say is its a big mess, and won't get better until we have leaders in our country that takes our whole Nation and its Citizens at heart and do whats right for us all, and from the looks of the near future with the current lineup of candidates, it will be a miricle. Perhaps putting a stop to members of Congress being allowed to spend their entire lives in office would be a great start. Some of these members like Harry Ried have contributed greatly to years and years of damage. I would go as far as to say Harry Ried has been in office so long that he influences and votes with his own agenda's and not what's right for the U.S. He doesn't worry because he know's he has that power and wealth until the day he can no longer serve in office due to old age.

          • 2 votes
          #5.4 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:32 PM EDT
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          DocPhil

          I think the key issue here is not the individual but the willingness of the individuals to bring their parties to the goverrnance table. American democracy has never functioned from the far left or the far right. It functions from the center-left or center-right, usually at the discretion of a president.

          It is the role of those on the fringes to set areas that we want our politicians to talk about. It is then the responsibility of those that are elected to govern to find effective compromise. I didn't agree with President Bush, but the democrats worked with him on major legislation. His "No Child Left Behind" was a signature example of that as was the Part D, Medicare reform. The problem we have now is that the republicans in congress refuse to work with the President on governance.

          Governance is not trying to make sure a president is a one termer. That is the role of your national committee. Governance is doing the people's business and unfortunately, that is not being done.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#6 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:48 PM EDT
          mon glas

          Unfortunatly the roles of representation from both parties has been distorted behond the original meaning. My understanding of how having different party's of representation was to look at both sides of the issue and come to the conclusion of how it will be in the best interest of everyone. Not just for a certain side, or group, or area.

          Corruption from monetary greed has infiltrated Congress and skewed the outcome. Election's are now based on who is the most wealthy, not the most qualified, and will take their oath to do what is right. And Corporate greed from U.S. and foreign countries has greatly affected our political climate. Distrust is all everyone sees now, and it clouds any chance of a real solution, or giving the benefit of the doubt to a new President. People are outright tired of the party division crap.

          • 1 vote
          #6.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 7:56 PM EDT
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          etva

          Excellent article, Marine. It's a complicated process to find truth and balance in the media, these days, and takes more time than I have to hunt down the actual data and original resources. I have to pick and choose the information I pursue.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#7 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:17 PM EDT
          Alex. CA

          Voters are ultimately responsible for whatever happens.

          • 1 vote
          #7.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:55 PM EDT
          naughtynumbernine

          I dunno Alex, I think the President is ultimately responsible. They're the ones who claim that they're up to the task. Voting seems almost inconsequential. I mean every four years we are provided the opportunity to choose from the two people in all the country who are most fit to lead this Nation s\ so the outcome seems like a moot point.

          • 1 vote
          #7.2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 9:06 PM EDT
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          Maggie-602935

          Every president that steps into the Oval Office gets demonized. I don't think it's ever been to this degree... to the point where no matter the cost to the American public...the agenda is more than anything else...to make sure this particular president only serves one term.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#8 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:52 AM EDT
          ERich-356044

          Great perspective Marine!!!

          There is new curriculum being brought to the teacher's attention about the Internet and how we are to introduce it to elementary age kids. One of the biggest items that really will blow your mind is that almost 75% of information that is put out on the internet is false. Fake. As in not real.... we as teachers have the daunting task to figure out how to teach kids what is reliable and what is not. Sites like wikipedia are not to be recognized in classrooms, but sites like world book encyclopedias are.

          Take comfort in that, because hopefully we will get through to the next generation and they will be more discerning.

          :)

          • 3 votes
          Reply#9 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
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